The Castle/Cassel/Kassel Family

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00cass/page/n5/mode/2up?ref=ol&q=Johannes&view=theater

According to this book:

Johannes Cassel came to America with his brother Yelles in the ship Friendship from Rotterdam on the 16th of October 1727 with his brother Yelles. He settled in Lancaster County, PA in the vicinity of Columbia.  There were three brothers who were grandsons of Yelles, the Preacher at Kriesheim.  They all came from Kriesheim.  As far as the author knows they were Mennonite

From the same source:  Johannes Cassel, Born 1639, and his wifeMary, came to America in the ship “Jefries and landed at Philadelphia Nov 20 1686.He came with children.  He was 47.  He was a weaver by trade.  He settled at Germantown in the County of Philadelphia.

There is a third brother also found in America and he may have already been in Germantown in PA when the other two arrived.  Much of this book is about the third brother, Hupert.

I am looking at the trees on Ancestry this morning.  I found one that is owned by BarbaraPinkston29.  Barbara is not a dna match to me on Ancestry.  I have not yet checked to see if she matches Mom.  She had Quaker records among her sources for Johannes Cassel born 1639 in Kriegsheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died in 1691 in Germantown, Philadelphia

 

Carroll 1765-1815 The Settlements by John Perry Alderman

 The Quaker .io list has been very active through the holiday and I have been very interested in the conversations.  But because of the holiday, I have not had time to participate as much as I would like in the conversations.  Santa brought me the book named in the title of this blog post,  So I will start with this book.

Jacob Elliott and his wife Elizabeth and his children (which included married children with their own families) took a certificate from Center MM in southern Guilford County to New Garden MM near present day Greensboro.  This was almost certainly a move from Randolph County, NC to Chestnut Creek in what is now Galax, Virginia.  I assume that New Garden MM was the closest MM to the area. Below is a map showing where I believe they lived in this time period.  Their land would have been in what is now Carroll County.  But at the time it would have been Montgomery County.   And from that, I was able to place the land no a modern map. 

Land on Which Elliot family lived during the Revolution

Montgomery County, Virginia was huge in this time period extending from the NC border to the Ohio River.

And between Henry County on the East and Washington County on the West.

From New River notes is the following explaining who had settled in this area:

Following the Battle of Alamance, 1771 a group of intermarried families left the Piedmont of North Carolina and moved just across the Virginia border into virgin wilderness along Chestnut Creek and its tributaries. These families were mostly Quakers or disowned Quakers and many of the men had been active in the Regulator movement and participated in the Battle of Alamance. Amongst them was a Baptist named Flower Swift. The largest extended family was the Quaker Cox family. The Cox family was related by blood to Herman Husband. Husband was the best known leader of the Regulation and was a fugitive after Alamance 1771, traveling under the pseudonym Tuscape Death. Possibly amongst the Chestnut Creek settlers was William Rankin, who had been declared an outlaw by North Carolina's Governor Tryon. Almost all of this group came from today's Randolph, Guilford, Alamance and Iredell counties. Before they were in North Carolina, most of their familiess had migrated thusly:

• Chester Co., Pennsylvania and neighboring New Castle Co., Delaware and Cecil Co., MD then moving to York, Adams or Franklin Co., PA, thence to North Carolina
• Harford or Baltimore Co., MD, thence to Monocacy, Frederick Co., MD, thence to North Carolina

A large percentage of the Quakers and non-Quakers were of Scotch or Irish ancestry. The non-Quakers were mostly Baptists.

https://www.newrivernotes.com/carroll_history_1779-1783_flower_swift_company.htm

My new book has information about these families. 

On pages 10, 11, 12 there is great information on where to find land information on this area.  The author spent many years of his life gathering land information and he share with the reader where to look for records

While trying to answer a query about how I knew this land to be that of Jacob Elliott, I reviewed what I read in the book.  I interpret the below as being when the war was over and the Elliott family were ready to move back to Randolph County, they sold the 240 acres on Chestnut Creek to John Williams.  The author has a plat map on page 300 that shows the 150 acres on Chestnut Creek on which John Williams lived.

Who might have traveled with Sarah and John Elliott from Burlington to Nottingham/New Garden?

Lauren has inspired me to look at some ideas of how to explore the idea in the Title.

First.  Who is likely to have received a certificate from Burlington to anyplace c.1722?

Second  Who who is likely to have received a certificate from anyplace at New Garden c. 1722?

Third who might have moved into the Nottingham Lots c. 1722? 

The Elliott family and possible connections to Gloucester Great Britain

In January, 2022 I spent more time on the below.  My gut feeling after more research is that the Quaker Elliott family found in the Gloucester area of England are likely related to the Elliott family found in Westmoreland Virginia with connections to a wife named Amanda Smith.  At this time I believe this to be a dead end for my own research.

 I had dabbled with connections between my John Elliott and his wife Sarah and Gloucester England in a post this fall.  I have become more and more interested in following up on this idea even though it does not seem to be what anyone else suggests and it is based on quite random clues.  It is possible that I will move some of the information from my previous post to this post, but I am not doing that today.  So begin by reading the following:

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2021/08/ellotelliott-family-before-move-to-nc.html

Here are some of the ideas that are rolling around in my head that I want to explore:

There is a Guy family both in the area of Bristol and Burlington.  Bristol is about 20 miles from Gloucester.  I will look at the Quaker families in both places to see if I can find other families both places.  Some of the trees on Ancestry have a wife with maiden name Guy for an Elliott male.  The one that they have chosen makes no sense as she died in Great  Britain quite late for this story and she is a niece to William Penn.

Wooten DNA

 Yesterday I received an e-mail from FTDNA saying that David Wooten had a new yDNA match at 37 markers.  David Wooten did yDNA testing for me a couple of years ago.  I also have another yDNA participant named Scot Wooten.  Both men are autosomal matches to me.  Both me have tree that shows a connection to my ancestor, Silas P. Wooten, who fought in the Revolutionary war....then married Phebe Worth in Guilford County, NC.  Silas and Phebe moved to Eastern Kentucky and their descendants are found all over Eastern Kentucky.  

The new match has Massey as surname.  And it turns out that another of the matches to David and Scott also has Massey as surname.  So I reached out to all four men with an e-mail.  There are only two Wooten men and two Massey men in the list of matches.  Many of the other matches carry the surname Cochran or other spelling so that name such as Cockerham etc...it seems clear that the common ancestor was a man with last name Cochran.  

Much to my surprise, I received an amazing e-mail from Martey Massey.  There are so many leads to follow up on that I hardly know where to start.  Here is his answer:

Marsha, I am Martey Massey and I may have a solution but you are right in this being a tangled web, that I lucked into. And I am not positive this is the answer but here goes.

I had my DNA done some years ago. My kit number on the Massey DNA site is one of the lower numbers. I thought it would clear up all of my problems and we matched none of the ones on the Massey DNA but these trickled in that match our DNA that were either from South Carolina or Mississippi but Massey name. One day I got a email from the (then, he has passed since) saying that my DNA matched their Cockerham, Cochrane etc. DNA web site. I checked it out and sure enough there were almost a dozen people that matched my DNA.  He told me about an Elizabeth Massey in Caroline County, Virginia. ( I also found this information in a couple of books about Caroline County, in Grapevine and Dallas Genealogy Libraries)  It states that in 1747-48, Elizabeth Massey, an indentured servant to Nathan Chapman, had a child born out of wedlock and declared that William Cockran was the father of the child. He did pay her fine, but the question is who was the child? Also I found a note in the Dallas Library about Elizabeth Massey and 3 other people had their children taken from them because they weren't taking care of their children and if you think this is confusing, I corresponded with another lady, who had an Elizabeth Massey from Caroline County, Virginia about the same time who had been living with and had a son named John Massey, and the man, John Clatterback, (a well documented Revolutionary War Veteran) later married her and had more children.  You can find bits and pieces that you can put together and get a lot of different answers. 

.....

..... My Massey family, we believe came from Virginia, to North Carolina, (Granville County), South Carolina, (Laurens, Union Co, Spartenburg),  then to Monroe County, Mississippi, (1837-1856 or so) then to Columbia County,Arkansas before the Civil War and mostly to Texas after the great Panic Depression of 1892. 

.....

So I will start with Caroline County.  I know almost nothing about Caroline County!  

I have done lots of research on Fredericksburg and Falmouth and the Northern Neck and the Rappahannock River, but somehow I have always skipped over Caroline County. First question is where was Nathan Chapman living in 1747?  And who was Nathan Chapman?  And Was William Cockran a neighbor or another indentured servant?

Ok...all the time I have tonight and I have found almost nothing!

So I slept on my thoughts about this puzzle.  And my thoughts this morning are that Silas P. Wooten did not come from any of this Massey information.  Although Martey's explanation has given me a lot to think about....Could Silas' mother have had surname Wooten?  I have not looked at the Wooten women.

The most likely scenarios for Silas's earlier life before his enlistment in the army would be:  He lived in the area of Halifax, Virginia.  He enlisted in the army in Halifax.  Could this have been close to home?  Or he lived in the area of Guilford County, NC.  He married Phebe there.  And they lived there for the early years of their marriage.  Or he lived in Surry County, NC (county that adjoined Guilford to the west).  I have written about this before at:

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2018/09/revolutionary-war-vouchers-for-silas.html

  

 

How many of the friends and family of Jacob Elliott made the move to NC?

Of course, this entire research begins with the two brothers, Jacob and Abraham, moving to NC in 1763.  But who else made the move from PA to NC?  

Jacob's mother, Sarah Farmer and her husband John:

There are Fraziers who moved to Cane Creek from Newark MM...but earlier than the 1763 date.  And none of them have name Alexander nor Phebe.  And Davisons who come in time period of Fraziers but not a Sarah nor a Thomas Davison.  This is at Cane Creek.  So it is not clear yet if daughter's moved with the group.  I may look on Ancestry a bit before spending more time on Quaker records.

Time line for the Elliott family in Pennsylvania from 1722 until 1763

 This is a continuation to the blog post that follows, so please go back and read the earlier blog posts before reading this.

So I have taken John and Sarah Elliott from Burlington Monthly Meeting to New Garden/Nottingham. This would have happened in 1722.  

John died before 1735.  Sarah married John Farmer.  Other researchers say he was the next door neighbor. In 1735 New Garden Monthly Meeting dis Sarah for marrying out of unity:

So Sarah was still affiliated with the New Garden Monthly Meeting in 1735.  

it was approximately 1745 when the first Quakers settled in Warrington Township and Warrington Monthly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) was established. Our Elliott family had first settled at the Nottingham Lots and attended Quaker meeting there.  At least this is my theory based on information that the land west of the Susquehanna was not yet settled.  Since they moved in 1722, they must have lived somewhere on the east side of the Susquehanna River for at least five to ten years and maybe much longer.  Perhaps Sarah and second husband, John Farmer, moved to York County after their marriage in 1735,

Lauren sent me a brochure of the Nottingham Lots.  It does include man original owners of the plats that I am not including here.  There are no Elliott names on the list.

At the time of John and Sarah's move, the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland was in dispute.  This continued until the Mason Dixon line was drawn in April 1765.  You can see that only a very small part of a few of the lots were in Pennsylvania after 1765.  By that time John Elliott would have been deceased for 30 years and Sarah and her second husband were living in York County, PA on the western side of the Susquehanna River.  Lauren says that John and Sarah were paying taxes in West Nottingham Township in 

1724, 1725, 1726/27.  But by 1731 and 1732 they are paying taxes in Sadsbury township and by 1734 widow Elliott is paying taxes in Sadsbury.  So perhaps they never actually lived in the Nottingham Lots.

Here is another map that helps to clarify the location of the Nottingham lots

In 1729, John and James Hendricks established the first authorized settlement in what is now called Kreutz Creek in York County. Germans, originally lured from the Rhenish Palatinate by William Penn's agents, soon followed Englishmen into the new frontier.

1755 Jacob Elliott was a part of Sadsbury MM in Lancaster County, PA as in the 10th month of 1755 the men's minutes state that Jacob has condemned his outgoing in marriage:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2189/images/31906_284088-00568?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=059e767fe99ffd2b97fd8925052283ee&usePUB=true&_phsrc=adf1472&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=2989046

The next month's meeting minutes James Moore reports that he read Jacob's condemnation of his outgoing in marriage to the membership:

at the next Sadsbury meeting, Jacob requests a certificate to take with him to Warrington MM.  James Moore and Joseph Williams are asked to enquire into if indeed Jacob is in good standing and if so to prepare a certificate to present at the next meeting.

Jacob and his family appear to have moved west of the Susquehanna River in 1755 and lived there for the next eight years.  I believe there were Indian troubles in the area that caused them and others to make the move to North Carolina in 1763

The 11th month of 1763 Jacob and family have requested a certificate to take with them for New Garden MM in North Carolina

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2189/images/43154_1821100519_5287-00150?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=059e767fe99ffd2b97fd8925052283ee&usePUB=true&_phsrc=adf1477&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1107354316

There are some more Quaker records after the Elliott family move to NC.  I am not at this time going to insert screen shots.  I am going to summarize these records:

26 Nov 1763 Jacob Elliott and wife and 5 children received on certificate from Warrington MM, PA dated 20 Sep 1763.

Center MM Set off from New Garden MM in NC in 1773

New Garden MM n NC on 27 April 1782 Jacob Elliott and wife Elizabeth and 4 children received on certificate from Center MM dated 21 Jul 1781 (this was in preparation for their move to the area on Chestnut Creek in what is now Carroll County, Virginia

New Garden MM on 31 Jan 1784 Jacob Elliott and wife Elizabeth and 4 children granted certfiicate to Center MM. (This is the move back to Randolph County at the end of the Revolution)