Harris DNA group #27

Please remember when reading through the below that much of it may not be true.  This post is just a place to hang some information that I was looking at in Spring 2014 that I don't want to loose.

I was sorting out some thoughts tonight about Trey Harris' line in Goochland County, Virginia.  Trey is a yDNA match to my children's great uncle, Everett Harris.   What do I know about Trey's Harris family when they lived in Virginia?  First, Trey descends from Samuel G. Harris and his wife Trifenah Harris.  This couple married in Buckingham County, Virginia 30 Sept 1790.  Trifenah's maiden name was Harris.  The marriage was performed by Rev Chastaine.  Rev Chastaine was affiliated with the same church of which Sarah Guthrey and John Apperson were members.

Buckingham Baptist Church was founded on May 7, 1771. Rev. Rene Chastain became its first pastor, and he pastored the church for 53 consecutive years from 1771 until his death in 1823.

We have another yDNA match, Chris Harris, who also descends from Samuel G. Harris and his wife, Trifenah Harris and thus we consider him a part of our DNA group #27.  Samuel G. and Trifenah moved their family to Union County, SC by 1791 as their son, Thomas, is said to have been born about 1791 in Union County, SC.  Trey's family has remained in that area for several generations.

Ancestry sites have information that would connect Samuel G. Harris to Thomas Harris who was born in Goochland County, Virginia in 1743.  Thomas' will is found at:

http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/Thumbnails.aspx?recordId=298912

Note that his witnesses are Thomas and Richard Harris and that I do not have them among the list of children for this couple....have I missed them or are these men another relationship to Thomas?  Perhaps brothers?

This could be correct as Samuel G. and Trifenah name their first son Thomas.  

What do I know about Thomas and Sarah/Sally Harris?  

Sarah leaves a will.  Her husband is already deceased.  The will is dated 18 Jul 1810 and proved in Oct of that same year.  Union County WIll Book A pp. 157-158

Here is the link to will: 

http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/ViewImage.aspx?imageNumber=S108093002700275000a.jpg&recordId=299044

But the main reason that I started this post is that I didn't want to loose some thoughts that I had this spring about this family.  As I was looking at some of the Ancestry information about them one night, it came to me that they were Quaker.  So I pulled out my Hinshaw CD and found the following:  There is a marriage between Daniel Harris and Mary Hutchins in the records for Henrico MM:

Ancestry site says that Daniel was born in Hanover County in 1705

If this is right parents for Trey, Pat says that this Harris line is DNA group #20.

Then I started looking at the Lacy family.  Trey and I think there is a possibility that we may be cousins with an ancestor in our past with last name Lacy....very iffy....but possible.  

Ira Harris had a post:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HARRIS-COLONIALVA/2005-01/1104707114

that mentions a marriage between Thomas Harris and Sarah/Sallie Lacy.  And he gives the Douglas Register as a possible source.  Ancestry has the Douglas Register at:

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=25436 

Original data: Douglas, William,. The Douglas register : being a detailed record of births, marriages and deaths together with other interesting notes, as kept by the Rev. William Douglas, from 1750-1797 : an index of Goochland Wills : notes on the French-Hugeunot [sic] refugees who lived in Manakin-Town. Richmond, Va.: J.W. Fergusson & Sons, 1928.

Hmmmmmmmmm....there is Trey's couple and my ancestors one after the other......but no reason yet to expect to be cousins or whatever.  My Sarah/Sally Lacy married Perrin Farrar...his Sarah/Sally married Thomas Harris.  

Beuhring "Reunion"

Melba Guard came for a visit this week from the Cincinnati area.  Both of us descend from the man pictured to the left (Frederick George Lewis Beuhring) and his wife (Frances Elenore Dannenberg Beuhring) who is pictured below.
Melba contacted me via e-mail after reading several of my posts on this blog on our mutual Beuhring line.  Debbie Campbell who is president of KYOWVA had also given Melba my name.  We agreed to spend several days together gathering information in the Cabell County area to add to Melba's research. She is creating a biography of Frederick Konig Beuhring and also of his father, Frederick George Louis Beuhring.  (guard_m@fuse.net)





Frederick George Louis Beuhring

The family folklore is that FGL had the portraits painted to send to his family in Germany so that they could see his wife and show off the fact that they were well and had prospered.  After WWI or II, the descendants of the family in Germany were in need of money and contacted descendants of FGL in the United States to see if someone might be willing to buy the portraits to raise a bit of cash.  Someone in the family of Kitty Forbes did just that.  Kitty took me to see the portraits.  For more details about this story, see blog post:
 http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2012/08/beuhring-and-brown-in-cabell-and.html

Frances Elenore Dannenberg Beuhring

Melba is writing a biography of FGL's son Frederick Konig Dannenberg Beuhring.  FKD is Melba's gr-grandfather and my 2-gr grandfather.  FKD married Frances Eleanor (Fannie) Miller in Guyandotte, Virginia in 1838.  Fannie and FKD had nine children.  I descend from their seventh child, Nora Belle (Bird) Beuhring.  Fannie died 12 Oct 1882.  Fannie's youngest son was only seven when she died.

Frederick Konig Dannenberg Beuhring and Frances Elenore Miller Beuhring

FKD wasted no time finding a second wife.  1 Nov 1883 FKD married Mary Jane Earle.  FKD and Mary Jane had two children:  Victor Earl Beuhring and Harold Earl Beuhring.  Melba descends from Harold.  Harold is Melba's grandfather.  During this visit from Melba and her husband, Cliff, we looked at a collection of papers in the Marshall University Special Collections that have been donated by Larry Beuhring on our mutual Beuhring family.  Larry descends from Victor Earl Beuhring.  I was able to get in touch with Larry through Facebook and now have his phone number and e-mail address.  His papers are very well done and are quite worth reviewing if you have a connection to this family.

I will add information about these families in another post.  Other links to Beuhring information in previous posts on my blog are:

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2013/02/beuhring-home-in-huntington-wv.html

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2012/08/beuhring-and-brown-in-cabell-and.html

Webb in the area near Warren County, Kentucky

 This post is more of a list of things that I have found that may or may not have bearing on my puzzle.  There is no real organization....more like bits and pieces of the puzzle...with the hope that as I gather more information, I can sort this into things that are indeed part of my solution and clues that are not relevant.  I hope to add clues from other people as I go.

I attended the Kentucky Historical and Genealogical Society's second Saturday event in March 2014  and wanted to practice what I had learned in Josh Taylor's talk on Information Overload; Managing Online Searches and their Results (https://rootstech.org/about/videos/).  So I formulated a google search:  William AND Webb AND (Warren County AND Kentucky) to see if I could add to the information that I already had found about a migration from Montgomery County, Virginia into Warren and on into Illinois which was a part of a theory that I was trying to prove or disprove.

One of the first hits gave me a transcription of the 1810 Warren County Tax List that can be found at:
http://www.burgoo.com/3333333333073156.html

The Webb men found in this list are:  Lazarus, Eli, Henry, Martin, John, and William.

Because I believe my ancestor to have been William Webb, I also noted that there are also William Webbs in Logan County in 1810.  And there is a William Webb in Barren County in 1810 as well.


So the question is who are these men.

Information from Winnie Whitaker (winniewhitaker@yahoo.com) helped shed some light on these names:

 My Webb family did settle Warren County.  It was along the Green and Nolin rivers which later became Hart, Grayson and Edmonson Counties.      There was one other family of Webbs who passed thru moving north ca 1800, Lazarus and Moses.  They were an unrelated line.   Mine was the Martin Webb family.  He brought his children, their familes, some nephews and nieces and their families as well.     Martin was the son of Merry Webb of Virginia. He married Judith Bolling.

In 2017 I am looking in Henry County while doing a bit of Morrison research.  I have found Merry Sr., Merry Jr. and James Webb (James Webb is named as a son of Merry Webb on this list) on a Titheable List Taken By Robert Chandler for 1767 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia.  I am reading this list via JSTOR:

Tithables of Pittsylvania County, 1767 (Continued)
Source: The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 23, No. 4 (Oct., 1915), pp. 371-380
Published by: Virginia Historical Society
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4243469

Accessed: 29-09-2017 22:41 UTC
It is a PDF made from the above source.


Winnie added the following:

My line came to Kentucky in 1796.  Martin Webb, son of Merry Webb, was born ca 1740 and moved his family from Halifax /Henry County Va. to Burke Co, NC by 1772.  From there he moved down to the Greasy Cove/Nolichucky River area of Tn.  Back to Buncombe NC /Wilkes County area in 1780's.    By 1790 he was in the Greenville S.C area on the Saluda River with other members of his family.  He and his extended family were in Logan, later Warren Co Ky by 1796 on the Green River.  Others of the family included Harrison, Houchen, Pace, Jones, Jett, Hazelip and Morris.The area is now Edmonson County Ky and most of his original land belongs to the Mammoth Cave National Forest.

For information about the geography of this area, go to my blog post:
http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2013/11/migration-from-montgomery-county.html


Another hit gives information about a Webb family that is said to have originated in Northumberland County, Virginia who have a Lazarus and an Eli and seem to have lived in Warren County before they moved to Franklin County, Illinois:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/l/Delores-A-Hill-OR/BOOK-0001/0004-0014.html

Northumberland County would have been in the Northern Neck of Virginia.


This would NOT have been Winnie's Webb family.  It is instead the Webb family belonging to Charlene Reeds-Ebling (TEbel2888@aol.com) and Dian Mahaney (dianmah@sbcglobal.net) .  I am acquainted with both of these researchers through the Northern Neck Mail list.   Here is information that I have saved from each of them:


I am descended from two of Thomas' grandsons, who relocated to Charlotte Co. VA. then Warren Co. KY, and about 1815-18 settled in Franklin Co. IL.  (Dian indicated that Lazarus was in Warren County as early as 1797 and that Lazarus and Eli had two younger brothers;  William b. 17Dec 1776 and Charles)

Thomas and his wife Elizabeth had four sons and two daughters; William, John, Lazarus, Thomas, Judith and Winefred.These are all pretty basic "Webb" family names, except Lazarus. We looked to see if Elizabeth was a TAYLOR, but it appears now that she isn't. I am descended through his son Lazarus.

Our best clue so far has been the DNA suggesting Thomas was related to Giles Webb. His descendants (I believe) are in Richmond and Essex Cos.

Dian  
and also from Dian:

My WEBB ancestors born in Northumberland Co. moved from NLD. to Charlotte Co. VA then to Warren Co. KY, then to Franklin Co. IL. My maternal great granparents were, I believe, third cousins. Charles H. Phillips was a descendant of Lazarus Webb and Nancy Creek. He married Jo Webb, she was a descendant of Eli Webb and Margaret Sandusky.

Lazarus and Eli were brothers born in Northumberland Co. DNA shows that their paternal grandfather Thomas Webb (ca. 1720-1783) and maternal grandfather John Webb (ca. 1720-1771) were related. 

and from Charlene:

I am descended from two of Thomas' grandsons, who  relocated to Charlotte 
Co. VA. then Warren Co. KY, and about 1815-18  settled in Franklin Co. IL. ...
  
Charlene and Dian cleared up confusion that I had found on the internet about Nancy Creek.  She is NOT my 4-gr-grandmother since she married a Lazarus Webb rather than a William Webb.  I was very happy to get that clarified.

Census information
In the next part of this blog post I a going to look at the various William Webbs found in tax lists and in censuses in this part of KY.

The William Webb found in Barren County, Ky in 1810 is perhaps the right age for my 4-gr-grandfather.    My William Webb is 60-70 in the census of 1830 in Clay County, Illinois.  I know this to be my 4-gr-grandfather. That makes his birthday somewhere between 1760 and 1770.  The William Webb in Barren County in 1810 is 45 or over.

Morrison family from Pittsylvania to Cabell County

I became very excited about the fact that my 4-gr-grandmother, Elizabeth Hensley, was the daughter of William and Rachel Witcher Morrison.  Elizabeth was married to Solomon Hensley in Pittsylvania County before 1810/1811 (based on estimated date of birth of oldest son).  Everyone who researches this family indicates that Elizabeth was a Morrison.  So I have assumed that fact.  And I began to jump into her supposed ancestors.  However, as I started a blog post about her connection to the Witcher family, I saw many holes in my assumption about her connection.  So I am going to take some time to try to figure out and prove just who Elizabeth really was.  I will begin this with a close look at the Morrison family who lived in Pittsylvania County during the Revolutionary war, but moved to the area that is now Cabell and Wayne Counties in WV by early 1800.  There is a great deal of information and much of it is contradictory.  I can not seem to find a source that has lots of documentation to prove the connections that are asserted.

The traditional story is that Patrick Henry Morrison came into the Salt Rock area in the early 1800s with McComases and Hatfields in hot pursuit of Indians that had stolen their horses in Giles County (now Logan).   I have a copy of a typed account written by Patrick Henry Morrison when he was 80 years old dated  22 September 1910.  This is Patrick Henry Morrison, Jr who is writing and he is living in Cabell County, WV at the time of the writing.

Some of what Patrick Henry Morrison says does not agree with the research that I read from the Morrison family.

My father, Patrick Henry Morrison, Sr. came from Pittsylvania County, Virginia.  He was Scotch Irish in descent.  My Grandfather, James Morrison, was an old Revolutionary Soldier and is buried on the home place.  No Tombstone.  He lived here with my father, Patrick Henry Morrison, Sr.  My father Patrick Henry Morrison, sr.  died directly after the Civil War on 28 May 1869.  My mother, Anne (Ward) Morrison, died in 1855.

......
Patrick Henry was with a group that tracked Indians who had stolen their horses in GIles County, Va to what is now the Salt Rock Community in Cabell County.  They found the horses and returned home.  Patrick Henry liked the area so much that he and his brothers and sister traveled through the Cumberland Gap to settle at Salt Rock. [my note:  doesn’t make sense to travel through the Cumberland Gap to settle.....much more likely that they moved via Giles/Logan]

Note that he does not name his sister nor does he mention parents moving with them although he says that his grandfather is buried on the home place.  But the huge difference from the research is that everyone's research says that Patrick Henry Morrison, Sr  was the son of William and Rachel Witcher Morrison---not James Morrison.

So next I am going to look at the Morrison males found in Pittsylvania County area in the late 1700's to early 1800s

A Patrick Morrison took the oath of allegiance in Pittsylvania County in 1777.  He was on William Witcher’s list as was John Hensley Sr. and John Hensley Jr., 4 Razor men, and 6 Witcher men. There is no other Morrison male on the Pittsylvania list.

http://www.usgenwebsites.org/vagenweb/pittsylvania/Oaths.html

I looked again at that site this morning and would add to the above comment that Benjamin Foster was named on William Ward's list.  But it would seem that everyone in Pittsylvania County should be somewhere on the list because after several of the lists are named the men who refused to sign.  So where was William Morrison?  William, John and James Morrison were fighting with the Virginia 6th.

After sleeping on that thought and doing some more looking on the internet, I did find a list of those taking the oath in Henry County.  But I first want to add a piece information as I should see who might have been actively engaged in fighting in the Revolutionary War in Jan 1777.

Henry County Courts

By an act of the Assembly of October 1776, Henry County Court was first held in the home of John Rowland on the third Monday in January. Records show that 630 citizens took the oath of allegiance to the United States and about 40 refused to renounce their allegiance to Great Britain. There were many more people living in the county than this indicates, either away hunting and trading or serving in the army under George Washington.
Source: The Historical News, Vol. 27 No. 4-VA, November 2007, Southern Historical News, Inc.

So the site where one can find the oath of Allegiance for Henry County is:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/10578/images/dvm_LocHist000230-00180-0

This link takes you to the Allen County Library's digitalization of the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Vol 9, pg 12-13 if you prefer paper copy.  It is read on Google play.

and I also found the below statement which indicates that some of these men could have been very young.

History of Henry County, Virginia by Judith Hill – Oath of Allegiance, taken at the first county court that was held at John Rowland home, third Monday in January 1777, all free males above 16 years.  ......

Oh, my gosh....there is Bailey Carter on the second list made by Peter Saunders.  On the third list made by Thomas Hamilton is found George and George Jr Rowland.  On the fourth list made by James Lyon is a man with name Isham Solomon.  On the fifth list made by Edwin Lyne is John Salmon, Charles Foster, Mich Rowland, Mark Foster

Sure enough, the list is continued in Volume 10 of the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography on page 72.....whoops....doesn't seem to be a continuation of the list.  But this issue is VERY interesting.....

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=PUYMzFD2CgQC&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA72

Unfortunately the list that I looked at in Vol 9 does not seem to be a complete list if there are really 600+ taking the oath.  I count only about 355 names including those who refuse on this list.  I have been looking at the magazines one by one to see if I can find the rest of the list.  Indeed Henry County has articles every month, but they do not seem to have the rest of the names.  I would seem to be more productive to actually read these old magazines as I go rather than skipping around.  So I will put this project off temporarily.  

The below starts my list of various land transactions for Morrison family:

In Henry County there are the following land transactions:

James Morrison to William Slaughter 18 Oct 1810 Deed Book 3 page 382

Nathan S. Morrison  selling to James Whalen 18 Dec 1803  Deed Book 2/pg 311

Some photos that I would like to identify

All of these photos I have copied from Nancy and Eleanor at some point.

The first photo is labelled Nannie Lee Hawkins Taylor on far right

Carter Taylor Seaton said that she believed that it is Elinore Hawkins Sheets on the left.

I can not remember who was in the below photo

And the last photo, can someone help me?

Ports in Early Virginia

In working on an old blog post that I did last year about this time, I came across a map on a site on Family Search that I did not want to loose.  So I am going to start this blog post and come back and edit it at a later date.  The site on Family Search has MANY excellent suggestions on doing research and I will also visit it at a later time:

http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Virginia_Emigration_and_Immigration

Occaneechi Trading Path used for migration from north to south

I spent much of today transcribing a legal pad on which I made notes probably about 2004.  I think that the notes were from several NC Genealogical Society's events as well as visits to the NC archives, Guilford College Hege Library, several Quaker churches in the area....etc  I did a terrible job of making it clear from where each of the pieces of information were acquired.  As I tried to get my head together on several of the items, I found myself interested in the location of the Occaneechi Trading Path that settlers might have taken when migrating south.  The below map was taken from the Family Search site:  http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Occaneechi_Path

You may want to go to the site to view the map more clearly.  You can see a more detailed view of the trail as it goes through the NC Piedmont on my blog post:

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2012/04/eno-cemetery-marker-dedication-just.html