autosomal dna 3rd cousin matches

I watched a You Tube presentation last night by The Barefoot Genealogist



I have tested with all five of the large companies.  I went to Richmond in the fall to hear Blaine Bettinger speak at the GRIVA event.  When the tests went on sale just before Christmas, I decided that I wanted to know about the extra information that each site could give me and ordered kits from the three companies that I had not yet tested with.  But this blog post is specifically designed towards my Ancestry matches.

Crista said that Ancestry now gives as information that each of the participants who have tested with Ancestry now have about 20 third cousin matches.  She personally does not have quite that many.  I find that I personally have slightly more.  Blaine Bettinger had stressed the importance of our third cousin matches.  So between all of this late night information and the going to sleep with this on my mind, I felt as if I dreamed all night about getting in touch with my third cousins.

Before falling into bed last night, I used my Reunion (I work on a mac) software to make a very nice fan chart of all of my 3-gr-grandparents.  I had not thought about using circular and fan charts before I was in touch with an autosomal match last week who sent me a WONDERFUL fan chart of her ancestors.  I am missing a few that I will explain below.  The problem with Ancestry is that one can not e-mail each of our matches directly.  So I decided to put my fan chart on my blog site and send a URL.  I realize that only a small portion of my 3rd cousins will respond.  But I have hopes that there will be one among those who do respond who will turn out to be a genealogy buddy!





If I make this bigger on the site it is harder to manipulate.  However I think that I might cut it in half and present below.  If you want it via e-mail, please get in touch with me at mosesm@earthlink.net and ask for my third cousin chart.  Or ask for something else if you want more information.





I am missing four of my Alsace Lorraine 3-gr-grandparents....They are on my mother's mother's side. Most of the Sammons/Osborn/McNeely/Castle side are well documented.  It seems that more of my 3rd cousins fit into this niche and we seem to have had a lot of research on this side of the family. I give Ruth Sammons Nassar a lot of credit for some of my own information.  She is now deceased but did a lot of Sammons research back in the day when there was no internet!

On my dad's mother's side , I am missing some of his McGregor, Hair, ancestors as his earliest proven couple did not come to these shores until the famine time in Ireland. But on his mother's mother's side, I have had a lot of fun taking many of these people back into the early 1700s and even into the 1600s when they arrived in this country.  And on dad's father's side my biggest road block has been my maiden name:  Hawkins.  I have had a brick wall for 30 years on the Hawkins surname in Early Virginia.  It has only been in the past six months that I have found a very small crevice and have some hope that I may begin to find holes this coming year.  The rest of this family lived right here in Cabell County in what is now WV from very early.  They are well documented.

Some of the surnames that will appear in the next rings out are:  Farrar, Moore, Ross, Butler, Marshall, Scott, Lacey, Perrin, Baugh, Hensley, Morrison, Atkinson, Webb, Witcher, Burchett, Carter, Goode, Worsham, Rowland, Penix, all of the Nantucket names (e.g. Worth, Gardner, Coffin, ....), Clendenin, Holderby, Handley, Pendleton, Dannenburg, Konig, Botjer, Schultz, Lutjen, Botser. Some of these surnames are not documented and a few may even be iffy.  But many of them are well documented.  It would make this blog post too unwieldy to explain which are iffy and which are well documented.  Just ask.  I am happy to share information.

Silas Wooten and Thomas Lovelady

Silas P. Wooten was supported in his application for Revolutionary war pension by Thomas Lovelady and Anthony Hall.  In turn, Silas made deposition supporting the Revolutionary War Pension for Thomas Lovelady and Anthony Hall.  It is interesting to note that while many of the old soldiers make a mark when they sign....perhaps some because they are old....perhaps some because they do not read nor write.  But Silas P. Wooten signs his entire name with careful penmanship.  He was a school teacher all of his life and his penmanship shows his life calling.

Thomas Lovelady in his own deposition for pension, says that he was born and lived in Guilford County before the war.  After the war he seems to have moved to Washington or Russell County in Southwest Virginia.  In 1833 he appears in court in Russell County and is said to be a resident of that county.  Thomas Lovelady seems to have been an enthusiastic participant in the war....enlisting several times in different places.  He seems to have enlisted at Abingdon for the fight at Guilford County....not Halifax.  However, he does serve under Col Campbell as did Silas who had enlisted at Halifax.  So they did indeed serve together for this battle.

Zachariah Worley

Yesterday Harry sent me the following about Zachariah Worley:

I was messing around in Ancestry and ran across a Revolutionary War pension file on a 1st Cousin, 7x removed. I already had several pages linked in my off-line family tree but I was shocked at the size of the whole original file.  Anyway the file was for Zachariah Worley, son of William Worley, grandson of my John Worley. The interesting things about Zachariah:
1) He was born in Powhatan Co., VA
2) He enlisted in 1779 and served at Petersburg.
3) He enlisted again in 1780 and was in the Battle of Hanging Rock (near present-day Lancaster Co., SC).
4) After his second enlistment was finished he went to his fathers home in Bedford Co., VA
5) He enlisted a third time and was in the Battle of Guilford Courthouse.

Because I am only now meeting these people it took me a while to get my head around everything.  I was off and running thinking about Revolutionary War Pensions marriage records in Hinshaw and Silas P. Wooten and etc etc etc.  So this morning I am going to slow down and think about what Harry's information tells me.

First of all John Worley and his family and then the next generation which would be (insert Harry's ancestor) and William Worley lived in Powhatan County from the early 1700s (at least) until after 1779 when Zachariah enlisted.



Why do I think that they were still living there as the Revolution broke out?  Because Zachariah enlists in Petersburg and his first round of service is right there in Petersburg.  However, William Worley moves his family to Bedford County very soon after as Zachariah goes home to his father's home in Bedford County after his second enlistment which take him to the Battle of Hanging Rock In SC.  Did Harry's ancestor move, too?  Why did William move?

Then Zachariah enlists one more time and this time he almost certainly enlists in Halifax, Virginia as the troops gather to fight the British who are moving towards Virginia.  And this time Zachariah takes a part in the Battle at Guilford Courthouse.

James Hawkins and William Ross

I can not believe that I did not make a blog post about my biggest find of 2018!  This find was from Elaine!  She found on Binns a tax record in which James Hawkins is paying a tax for Wm. Ross in 1798.  This is a personal property tax.  

Jerilynn McGregor shared information with me after my visit to hear her speak at the Stafford County Historical/Genealogical Society's meeting the weekend that I went to Richmond.  It seems that from the land tax records, Wm Ross may have died around 1799-1800.

Ross paid taxes on 202 acres of Parke from 1797 through 1800.  From 1801 through 1803, it was listed under "William Ross estate."  Since it sometimes took a year or two for the Commissioner of the Revenue to find out that a tax payer had died, it's probably safe to say that William departed this life sometime between 1799 and 1800.  In 1804, Mary Ross commenced paying the taxes "for Wm. Ross Estate." 

And from these records, it is possible that Mary was William Ross's widow.

Revolutionary War Vouchers for Silas Wooten

Nancy Wooten sent me links to Revolutionary War Vouchers for Silas Wooten this morning.

It is somewhat hard to read, but here is what the reader at family research believed that it said:



and here is the link if you want to read it on the Family Search site for yourself:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WT-P41J

Here are my questions....Silas was discharged from service in 1781 in Caswell County.  I do not know at this time if his entire unit was discharged there after their service in the battle of Guilford County.


Certainly the three counties of interest to us in this time period adjoined each other.  Guilford (Gu), Caswell (Was), and Orange (Or).  Orange is the County for which Hillsborough is the county seat.  I don't think that there is any doubt that Silas was "hanging out" in this area of NC.  Now where he was from before the war is a huge puzzle.  I think it more likely that Silas was not living in Hillsborough...but was probably in Guilford when he heard that there was money to be collected if he would ride to Hillsborough.  But this is certainly a guess.

Nancy says that there is an earlier pay voucher for Rowan County:

 One is 16 Aug 1782, Salisbury, Rowan, NC



again here is how the reader who indexed this document interpreted it:



and here is the link if you wish to visit the site on Family Search:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WG-X63B?i=723&cc=1498361



I think that those of us who look at Silas, have a Nagging thought in the back of our mind that perhaps Silas could have been living in Surrey or Wilkes before the Revolution.

Information from Mr. Jude: 

Thomas Whootan, III b. abt. 1760 died bef. 1820 NC. He was married to Anne Unknown b. 1776 NC died after 1850 

Mr. Jude also guesses that his name might be Thomas because:

1810 Surry Co., NC census entry:

Thomas Wooton  2 males 10-15  1 male >45  1 female <10, 2 females  10-15, 1 female 26-44

According to this entry, Thomas Wooton was born before 1765 and his wife was born between 1766 and 1784 or about 1776. 

He also says:  Since this Thomas Wooten is not on the 1820 census, he may have died and his widow may be Ann who married John Stotts and then moved to the Tug Valley.  

Ann's Wooten children born in Surry County are the family that goes by the name Ooten in the Tug Valley.  They include a Silas Ooten.  Anne married John Stotts before her move to Kentucky with her children.  

My notes for Ann say:  

There were two seperate Wooten and/or Ooten families in the Tug River Valley in Eastern Kentucky and Southwestern Virginia in the early 1800's who have been misconstrued and/or misidentified. One family was headed by the Revolutionary War veteran Silas P. Wooten and his wife Phoebe Worth. The other family was headed by a woman whose first name was Anne and whose maiden name is unknown. Her husband's surname was Wooten and remains unidentified. He was possibly Thomas Whootan, III who was born in Surry Co., NC, where Anne married her second husband John Stotts before coming to the Tug River Valley.

After Anne's first husband died in Surry Co., NC, she later married John Stotts abt. 1810 in Surry Co., NC and moved to the Tug River Valley and had additional children with him also. Afterwards, Anne and her children including Levi, Nancy & Jordan were living in Indiana by 1840. Her son Silas P. was already deceased by then and his widow remarried and his children remained behind in the Tug River Valley. While Anne and her children were all in Indiana by 1840, the children of the Revolutionary War veteran Silas P. Wooten & Phoebe Worth remained in the Tug River Valley. This obviously suggests they were two seperate families since they both eventually lived so far apart.

There are researchers who say Silas's mother had maiden Jordan.  Is there reason to think of possibilities that Silas and Thomas Wooten were brothers?  Thomas may have named a child after his brother, Silas....or perhaps both our Silas P. and Ann's son Silas P. Ooten were named after someone in a generation or two earlier than our Silas P.

But the Pay voucher in Rowan could perhaps suggest Silas' return to Surry/Wilkes.  While the slightly later pay voucher could suggest his move to Guilford County.

Cornwallis was defeated at Yorktown Oct 1781.  So I would guess that Silas was discharged just after the defeat.  Silas was wounded at Eutaw Springs and left to be transported with the baggage back to wherever he was taken.  So perhaps he was recuperating when he received his first pay in Rowan County.  I am not sure why there would then be a second pay voucher after that date in Hillsborough since he had already been discharged.  Back pay?  Lots of questions. But I am very indebted to Nancy for having shared these documents.

I would add one more thing from my own Quaker research in NC.  Surry County Quakers were part of Westfield MM. 

Surry County records dated from the 1770s and 1780s cover parts of present-day Ashe, Alleghany, Forsyth, Stokes, Wilkes, and Yadkin Counties.

The Meeting dates back to the 1760's when pioneer Quakers from New Garden (now Guilford College) crossed Quaker Gap of the Sauratown mountains to plant a new community in the valleys of Big Creek and Tom's Creek. Early Quakers began holding meetings at Westfield by 1772 under the care of New Garden Quarterly Meeting and continued until the monthly meeting was established in 1786. Representatives from New Garden were sent to hold services for them. This is said to have lead to the name, "Westfield." The Quakers at New Garden regarded the work as a mission project and since it was located west of New Garden it was referred to as, "The Western Field." Thus comes the name, "Westfield."
The meeting was officially established November 13, 1786. The Westfield friends would send representatives all the way to New Garden, 67 miles, every month

 So there was a huge connection between the New Garden MM in Guilford County to which Phebe Worth's family had been connected and that of those living in the Westfield area.  This may not be a factor in connecting Silas P. Wooten to Surrey ....but it is something to think about.  

Wonder if there were any Worleys or Blankenships or Wards in Surry County?  

Proof that Richard Moore is the son of John Moore and Jane Cureton

I sent out several messages on Ancestry today as participants had added information giving Richard Moore wife of Sarah Jenkins and then actually added parents for Sarah as well.  I was hoping to find someone who had some proof of the maiden name of Richard's wife, Sarah.  The first message back had a researcher who had clearly mixed up several families.....dead end.

The second man offered no proof but wanted to know if I knew if Richard Moore's parents were John and Jane Cureton Moore.  I told him that indeed I had that connection in my data base, but I would have to think if I had proof.

This post is about proof of that connection.  First I found the birth of Richard Moore to parents, John and Jane Moore:


This document is from the Radnor MM and the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting.  It is said to be in Delaware County.    I found the copy of the register on Ancestry's amazing collection of the original Quaker records.


You will notice that the date of birth is said to be the 20 day of the 12th month of 1697.  Ancestry interprets that date to be 20 February, 1697.  I know that in that period of time, Quakers often used numbered months as they found the names of the months to be Pagan.  But if I take time to confirm that Ancestry has interpreted correctly, I will loose my train of thought.

So yes, we have proof that John and Jane Cureton Moore did indeed have a son named Richard.
And next I am thinking about proof that this is the Richard Moore who moved to Berks County around 1740 and then on to Orange County, NC around 1755.  The dates work well for a man born in 1697.  And all of the information say that he was an old man when he moved to Wrightsboro.

As I looked for documents of removal for Richard, I found the following.  I am not clear if this is MY Richard, but I suspect it is:



Again, I interpret this to be Richard's effort to become a part of the East Sudbury MM in 1733.  This document is also found on Ancestry's collection of original Quaker records.  I had trouble finding East Sadbury and find that our modern records refer to this MM as Sadsbury.

And then this next document seems to be the same Richard Moore being readmitted to Radnor MM from Sadsbury: (Sorry I had to blow it up this large in order to be able to read it....you may have to manipulate the image)



Again this image is from Ancestry's collection of Quaker records.  I did not see a date on this page, but Ancestry has labelled this image for Richard as follows:



I am not clear at this time if this is an actual move by Richard and Sarah or if this is just preparation for their move to Berks County.  But it would seem that if they received a certificate of good standing it should have been from Radnor MM.  Phooey!  There is not a list of Certificates of Removal issued as early as 1730.  They do not start for Radnor until 1784.  Ok....next look to see if there is a Certificate of Removal received in Berks County.

I could not find a certificate accepted in Berks County for Richard Moore.  The records were just not kept early enough.  So I am thinking that I should look at the men who moved to the Robeson area together to see from where they moved.

"The third settlement of Friends was in Robeson township, on the west side of the Schuylkill River about the year 1740. Moses Embree, Owen Humphray, John Scarlet, Sr., John Scarlet, Jr., Thomas Thomas, Robert Long, Peter Marsh, Richard Moor, Evan Thomas, David Cadwallader, David Jenkins, John Wells, David Morris and Ephraim Jackson were the earliest Friends in this territory. “

While looking at the early minutes for Robeson, I saw many entries for the Scarlet family and the Thomas Thomas family and the David Morris family and Ephraim Jackson and his wife as well ( I am thinking it was death dates for both of them, but I am doing that from memory.  Using Hinshaw's Quaker encyclopedia, it would seem that Robeson is not included in his volumes.  There is no record of any sort of Ephraim Jackson.  Only one for John Scarlet.  It is that he was accepted at Cane Creek in 1758.  So he continued to move with Richard Moore.  Moses Embree is mentioned quite a bit in Hinshaw, but this Moses Embree is in Virginia.  So it is possible that it is the same man but that he did not move to NC with Richard's group.  The only mention of a David Cadwallader is a different man unless he moved by 1759 to Fairfax MM in Chester County.  This is a possibility if when others moved south, he moved back to Chester County.  Remember I wrote a blog that explained that there were Indian Troubles in the area around Berks County which I believe caused the Quaker families to move.  They were peace loving and the facts that neighbors were being murdered must have been quite frightening.  Could not find Owen Humphrey.  Could this Evan Thomas be the same Evan Thomas who settled at Hopewell?  When I get a chance I need to check the date for the settlement at Hopewell.  I can not find definitive proof of John Wells....but there is a Wells family at Cane Creek.

I found an entry in the Exeter Monthly Meeting Book A in which David Jenkins is admitted to the Quaker faith 26th day of 4th month of 1753.   It does not mention his having a certificate from somewhere else.  This document is found among the Ancestry Quaker document collection.  David Jenkins is also mentioned in the Cane Creek MM records.

For Richard and his family, Hinshaw gives this:



So, Richard and his wife, Sarah are received with a certificate 1757, 6, 4.  Son, John, is received as well.  Prudence is the first one that gives us the evidence that they are moving from Exeter and that she is bringing her certificate from that Monthly Meeting.  Perhaps I have been looking at the wrong MM for Richard and his family....or perhaps Robeson is not a MM at this time but only a preparative meeting.

The only thing that I have in my data base about Prudence is that she is named as Prudence Ryan in Richard's will.  Mordecai is my ancestor.  I am guessing that he is dis for marrying out of unity.  I am a bit confused as to his wife.  I will look at that another time.  Abigail married Nehemiah Thomas.  She is one of my favorite non-ancestors.  She and Nehemiah remained childless.  They moved to Newberry County, SC rather than Wrightsboro.  When she was ready to move, she asked for forgiveness and was reinstated as a Quaker.  Abigail remained in the Quaker faith until her death in Warren County, Ohio.  The next entries are almost certainly in preparation for the move to Wrightsboro....there was probably not a MM at Wrightsboro when they first moved, this certificates were for the closest MM to the area.

But this pretty much firms up my belief that Richard and his family moved from Berks County to Cane Creek MM.  I believe that they were connected with the Eno preparatory Meeting that answered to Cane Creek.  I wrote a blog post about Eno.  If you would like to read it, use Eno as search word.

I found it!  I found the record in which Richard Moore presented his certificate from Sadsbury!  Again, in order to make it easy to read, I had to make the image original size.  You may need to manipulate it to read.  So it is no Robeson nor Exeter that he takes his certificate.  It is Oley!  A google search shows:

Philadelphia Quarterly Meeting established Oley Monthly Meeting in 1737. In 1742, its name was changed to "Exeter".

My note on these next pages is that they are probably easier to read on Ancestry.  But I wanted to add a few notes on some of the pages.

Oh, these pages are where Joseph found the complaints against Richard Moore for owing money.  I am looking at pages found on Ancestry Quaker records.  The heading is

Pennsylvania  Berks  Reading Monthly Meeting Minutes 1737-1765.  I found them by a search for Richard Moore.  But the very interesting thing is that these minutes are indexed by the original author.  Thus he has listed all of the pages on which Richard Moore is named.

And here is the application made by Richard Moore to obtain a certificate for his wife and children and his son John who must be the oldest child.



This is in 1755 as he is preparing to move to Orange County, NC.

And here is the page that documents the fact that the meeting is considering drawing up a certificate for Richard and his family to take with them to NC.  And this names the underage children.

And the very next page has a note that John Embree wrote from NC that he condemns his Fornification.  And that he is frequenting the Eno preparatory meeting.  The note says that there are also some lines written from others who are a part of Eno.  The MM will consider what to do...

And next the certificate has actually been made and signed:



I am fairly certain that the below is MY Mordecai, son of Richard Moore.  Mordecai is not named among the children of Richard and his wife, so I assume that he is grown.




And this next page makes it clear that John and Mordecai are indeed sons of Richard:

Marriage of John Lee and Virginia Beuhring Hawkins

Ancestry sent me a hint today for my Hawkins line that is very interesting.  It is the marriage record for John Lee Hawkins and Virginia Beuhring.  The record is found in the court records of Kenton County, Kentucky.  I saved it to my ancestry account, but I am not very good at that yet and it is on E.P. Hawkins' page rather than that of John Lee.

Kenton County is the county in which Covington is found. The record is found on pages 112-113.   The date of the marriage is 11 Dec 1884.  So Henry Harrison Miller would still have been alive and living in Covington.  Did they go to Covington to be married at Daisy's grandfather's home?  Was John Lee working their temporarily?  The record says that John Lee says that his residence is Huntington, so they are not living there at the time.  I think this is very fun!