Sunday, January 10, 2021

William Hawkins, my 5-gr-grandfather

 My huge breakthrough in finding the father of Thomas R. Hawkins leads next to thinking about the grandfather of T.R.  The consensus of opinion is that the father of James Hawkins (father of T.R.) was William Hawkins who married Elizabeth Bourne.    

I have done the research on the children of Benjamin and Sarah Willis Hawkins.  This was low hanging fruit that I worked on many years ago.  Benjamin and Sarah had four sons.  Benjamin Jr married Nancy/Ann Bourne, James married Jane Bourne, and William married Elizabeth Bourne.  These women were sisters and were the children of Andrew Bourne and his wife Jane Morton.  Son Moses married Susannah Strother.  Moses wrote a will.  He died in the Revolutionary war at the battle of Germantown.  The paper work that was thus created about the care of his children made it quite easy to sort this family out.  There were in addition to the sons, five daughters.  I have information about them, but am not going to share it in this post as this is a post about one of the ancestor.

I know almost nothing yet about the early years in which William and Elizabeth were raising their family.  When Andrew Bourne wrote his will in 1788, Elizabeth was already deceased and he says so in the will.

Here is a transcription of the will of Andrew Bourne (taken from

    Culpeper County, Va. COPY

    In the name of God, Amen, I Andrew Bourne of the county of Culpeper being sound of mind, do make this my last will and testament: Viz. Imprimis. I give my soul to God and my body to the grave in hope of a resurrection to eternal life through the merits of a redeemer.

    Item: I give and bequeath unto the children of my dau. Elizabeth Hawkins, deceased, James and Winnie and increase to them and their heirs forever.(Wm. Hawkins DGB)

    Item: I lend to my daughter, Anne Hawkins, during the life of the children of Jude that died in her possession and increase and at her death equally divided between her children and her heirs. (Benjamin Hawkins DGB)

    Item: I lend to my dau. Sarah Price during her life, Molly and increase and at her death for them to be equally divided between her children and their heirs forever. (Col. John Price. DGB)

    Item: I lend to my daughter, Jane Hawkins, during her life, Winnie, wife of Bill and increase and at her death for them to be equally divided between her children. (Capt. James Hawkins of Orange County, Va. DGB)

    Item: I give and bequeath to my daughter, Frances Newman, Dinah to her and her heirs forever. (Ensign Alexander Newman b. Oct. 11, 1740 Orange County, Va. he was her first cousin as their Mothers were sisters, Jane Morton Bourne; and Elizabeth Morton Newman, DGB)

    Item: I lend to my daughter, Judith Zimmerman, during her life Nell and her heirs forever. (Frederick Zimmerman, Esq. of Culpeper County, came to Jessamine Co. Ky. DGB)

    page two WILL OF ANDREW BOURNE WILL BOOK C. P. 357, 1790 CulpeperCo., Va.

    Item: I lend to my daughter, Polly, during her life, Terry, FAnne and little Dick an increase to be divided between the heirs of her body at her death. But if she should die without issue of her body to be equally divided. between my two sons, Andrew and William. (married George Newman Sept. 10, 1790, marriage Book - page 70. Culpeper County, Va. DGB)

    Item: I lend unto my wife, Jane Bourne, during her life Milly, Judge, Tom of old Lackey and Simpson, her my wife by will or otherwise at her decease to give the said Negro to my daughter, Frances Newman, or any of her legal children, she may choose in case she should fail to give them to my daughter Frances

    Newman, or her grandchildren, by will or otherwise. Then they shall be equally divided between my two sons Andrew and William.

    Item: I give and bequeath to my son Andrew Bourne, Kuffy, George and Fielding to him, his heirs forever, and in case he should die without lawful issue of his body then for them to be divided equally between all my children. (Wm. Bourne married Elizabeth Robertson, dau. of Wm. Robertson; she died and he married 2nd Eleanor Bourne, his first cousin, daughter of John Bourne. DGB)

    Item: I give and bequeath- to my son, Andrew Bourne, all my land whereon I now live together with all my flat ground land which I bought of Alexander Spottswood to him and his heirs forever, provided he pays unto my executor or executress, hereinafter named, the sum of L 100 for the discharge of my debts after my death, and in case he should fail to pay the above said L 100 when demanded from them, my exrs. or exrts., are hereby impowered to sell and convey the whole of any part of said land to raise the said sum of 100 pounds for the purpose of discharging my debts. (Wm. Bourne m. Mildred Helms. DGB) Page 3 Will of Andrew Bourne, of Culpeper County, Va.

    Item: It is my further will and pleasure that all of my personal estate be equally divided between my wife, my son, Andrew and my son, William.

    Lastly, I constitute and appoint William Morton and William Pannell, to he the executors of this my only will and hereby revoke all former wills by me or at any time heretofore made and declare this to by my last will and testament; in witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this 22nd day of August in the year of our Lord 1788.
    Signed, sealed and-acknowledged in the presence of John Bourne; Benjamin Thornton, Reuben Newman and William Bourne.

    At a court held for Culpeper County, the 18th day of Jan., 1790, the last will and testament of Andrew Bourne, deceased, was exhibited to the court by Wm. Morton, one of the executors therein and was proved by the oath of Benjamin Thornton and John Bourne two of the witnesses thereto and in order to be recorded and on motion of the said executors, certificate is granted him for attaining a probate thereof in due foam; he having made other thereto and gave Bond and Security according to law. Liberty being reserved for the other executor to quality when he shall think fit. Teste: John Jameson CCC.

[In looking for the will, I came across an URL that I don't want to loose so I will put it here to look at another day: ]

Now, I know who Elizabeth and William's children are because of a document that I saw many years ago. I was negligent when I made my notes and did not say which county.  But it is almost certainly Orange County, Virginia.  I will add that fact at a later date:  

Deed Book B. Pg 328 John, Benjamin, and James Hawkins, Polly Barnett, Willis Hawkins, and Sally Hawkins children of Elizabeth Hawkins daug of Andrew Bourne of Culpeper Co, VA to our brother Moses Hawkins P of A to recover slaves left us by our grandfather, Andr. Bourne: Feb 1808 s and ack. by John Barnett and Willis and Sally Hawkins only and rec. same.”

So what do I know about William so far?  He grew up in the home of Benjamin Hawkins and his wife Sarah Willis Hawkins.  He and his brothers seem to have been adults during the Revolutionary War.  He married Elizabeth Bourne and had seven children with Elizabeth.  Elizabeth died before 1788.  But a new piece of information has come to light.  Elaine actually sent it to me a while ago, but my year has been busy and I only this week began to look at William.  The information is from the British Mercantile Claims.  I asked Elaine to send a photo of the explanation of what the British Mercantile Claims were from the Virginia Genealogist that ran copies of these documents in the 1900s in case anyone who is reading this is not familiar with these notes:

The document that Elaine has sent me is from the Virginia Genealogist

William Hawkins was not a Junior.  His father was Benjamin.  However, it is possible that there was an older William Hawkins in the area that the report was trying to differentiate.  But this is indeed a question in the information.   I also do not believe that William was living on the Green River in Kentucky.  He is said to have lived in Jessamine County.   I am starting to have doubts about my theory.  Dolly Gaines is said to have died in Barren County in Kentucky.  The Green River would be closer to Barren rather than Jessamine.  I need to look at the son of William Hawkins and wife Dolly Gaines:  Francis Gaines Hawkins to see what I can find out about him.

Is this the right William....go back up to read Andrew Bourne's will, you will see that Sarah Bourne is named as Sarah Price in the will and that the person who put this will on the internet believed Sarah to be married to John Price.  But then I have the doubts from the previous paragraph.  

Ok....I am going to put bits and pieces in next of possible facts.  From a website I have found that William was born 1749 and died in Jessamine County, Kentucky in 1836.  I will start with these dates to just limit the William Hawkins' that are in the "books".  

In the Deed Books of Culpeper County there is a William Hawkins and Elizabeth his wife selling land 10 OCt 1764.  If the date for his birth is close to being accurate this is not my William and Elizabeth as William would have only been 15 at the time....not likely to have been married.  I will not copy this deed until I have worked on birth date a bit.  The question in my mind is who could this couple be if it is NOT my William and Elizabeth?  Again in 1760 there is a deed in which William Hawkins is buying land in Culpeper.  And one more in 1765 in which William Hawkins is named as having a cover near Devil's Run to land being conveyed by James Sims of Culpeper County to his son Robert Sims for love, good will and affection. and for his better support and maintanance.  1765  I have filed the transcriptions for these deeds in a "basket file" in my closet in folder labelled Culpeper County.

Sunday, November 29, 2020

Ode to Mary/Polly Bickers Hawkins and Abigail Moore Thomas

These two women are among my favorite ancestors even though I do not descend from either of these women.  Neither women were blessed with children of their own.  I think about it often.  It must have been disappointing as over the years no children were born.  Both of them had husbands who loved them very much.  No children did not change their love.

Both of these women were on my husband's side of my tree.  Both of them had very full lives.   

Saturday, August 1, 2020

Catherine Elliott McKinsey

I wrote a post for Memorial Day more than two months ago that I liked so much, I had trouble writing a new post that would cause my Memorial Day post to move down to get hidden among my miscellaneous posts which have no order.  But I had a dna match get in touch with me last week.  The two of us share Catherine Elliott McKinsey....she is 4-gr-grandmother to both of us.  And I wrote an e-mail to her that had so much information in it that I wanted to preserve it by putting it on my blog.  This e-mail is a "road map" telling an overall view of my Elliott family.  One can then use the search box on this blog site to pull up more specific posts about the Elliott and McKinsey family.  Here is part of what I wrote to her:

 I know lots and lots and lots about this family and I am happy to share!  Let me start by sending you links to blog posts that I have written over the years….and then you can ask questions about what I need to clarify.  I am not the best to go back and edit my old posts, so I always appreciate having people ask for clarification if I haven’t made something clear or if I have done more research since the original post. 

Put Elliott in the search box….that will pull up posts that have the name Elliott in them.  And since I don’t know how much you know about this family line I will give you a quick road map,  My best tree is on Ancestry….you can get to it by clicking on the link on my blog home page.  If you are not a member of Ancestry, let me  know and I’ll send you an invitation.  I have been told that the link to my Ancestry tree on my blog site doesn’t work if the person clicking on it is not an Ancestry member.  And I do have an adequate tree on MyHeritage as well if you want to look there….everything I do is PUBLIC….I want to share with as many people as possible anything that I know!  I love these ancestors and I never get tired of telling their stories…and if at any time you need instant help with anything, my phone number is 340-638-3348….you might text if you are unable to get me so that I know who it is who is trying to get in touch.   

The earliest Elliott ancestor in my tree is 

The first I will start with is John Ellot/Elliot born about 1665 (dates are of my own deduction) and died in 1693, Kingsessing, Chester Co. Pa.  

It is this John Ellot’s grandson, Jacob who moves his family in the mid 1700s to what is now Randolph County, NC.  They live on Polecat Creek until the Revolutionary War when Jacob moves his family to Virginia for safety as he is a staunch Quaker and is trying to stay totally out of the Revolution.  This is one of my favorite genealogy stories….if it is not readily available on my blog, ask me to find it for you!  

After the Revolution they move back to NC.  I haven’t done the research to know exactly the sequence of events….but I guess that Jacob and Elizabeth die in Randolph County and the children begin to move from NC.  The Quaker families moved en mass in the first decade of the 1800s out of the south and into the non-slave states of Ohio and Indiana….However, Jacob’s children stop first in TN at the Lost Creek MM…..and then move again to Ohio and Indiana,

Catherine’s father, Abraham, actually moves his family to Indiana near what is now Richmond, Indiana.  But during the war of 1812, he moves his family back to Warren County, Ohio for safety from the Indians….and it is here that Catherine meets Nehemiah McKinsey and they are married.  After the war, Nehemiah who is not Quaker receives bounty land in Indiana for his service during the war….and Abraham accompanies his daughter and her husband and takes all of his other children except for Abner who has married Hannah Stubbs.  Abner moves to Prebble County, Ohio and lives with the Quaker families in that area who are the friends and neighbors of his wife. 

Abraham dies in Indiana…..I think in Vigo County….and Nehemiah and Catherine move from Vigo County to Clinton County by the census of 1850.  I descend from their oldest child:  Andrew Jackson McKinsey.  A.J. has a wife who dies young leaving him with three young children.  He leaves these children with his parents and goes to California as everyone is doing in this time period.  The children are totally raised by his parents and I know very little about them as I descend from A.J. and his second wife who he marries in California.  My Grandmother was 4th generation Californian when she met my grandfather and moved back to the East to marry him.  He moved her to Huntington WV where I live today…..and my father was born in 1924 here in Huntington.  

Ok…..that is the road map.  Ask any questions that you have.  Marsha Hawkins Moses

PS.  I have equal amounts of information about the McKinsey family and when you are ready to hear those stories, I’ll give you a road map for the McKinsey and Moore side of the family,  And Also if I mention documentation, I am happy to send that to you as well…I have most of it digitalized so it isn’t hard.  

Monday, May 25, 2020

Memorial Day 2020

I woke up this morning thinking about Memorial Day.  What is Memorial Day?  This is the answer given to my google search:

Memorial Day is observed on the last Monday of May. It was formerly known as Decoration Day and commemorates all men and women who have died in military service for the United States. Many people visit cemeteries and memorials on Memorial Day and it is traditionally seen as the start of the summer season.

All of these are good answers.  My peonies are in full bloom in my yard.  Jack and I often picked them and put them in vases for the cemetery.  Since Jack died, I rarely do that.  Early on in my widowhood, Katie put two beautiful hanging baskets on the Moses graves.  I liked that a lot and have done the same thing over the years.  And many years my grandkids have accompanied me for that.  This year the Goldy family is in flat top and Jason and his kids have moved out of my house, so it is quiet here.  I may do the decorating by myself.

The war of most interest to me in my life right now is the revolutionary War.  It is where much of my research is in this part of my life.  Much of my research includes the words "just before the Revolution" or just after the Revolution" to put in perspective when my family was doing certain things.

However, WWII became a topic for my reading in the last few years, so it is also of interest.  For books I have particularly liked, put WWII in the search box of my Book Collector Blog:

But as I drink my coffee this morning I am going to just add photos of my dad and my uncles and my children's grandfather and uncles and ancestors as they served in the various branches of military and in various wars through the history of the US.  This will be an ongoing project.  I will start with the easy ones that I have already scanned.

Below is my dad during WWII:  James Marshall Hawkins

And Dad and mom in same time period:

Then I got distracted with wanting to put some photos of me and my grandkids decorating graves over the years:


2017....Kya must have been the only one who went with me:

Ok....going to take a break and go do some decorating this morning.

Sunday, May 10, 2020

Ironton ancestors

I have a photo that has to be from the family of Clara Margaret Hornberger Sammons.  I do not know who this couple is.  I do not believe it to be Clara's parents.


Here is the back of the photo;

above information from below book found on-line.

And from this next book:

So it is likely that the photo was taken between 1866 and 1884.

Why do I think it likely that this is not a photo of Clara's parents?  Clara's parents were married c.1888 going by ages of the children.  Emma seems to have been the oldest child and she was born Feb 1889.  The dates of the photographer are before the couple were married.  It also doesn't look like Clara's parents.  So this couple is older than Fred Hornberger and his wife, Maggie Schmitt.

Saturday, May 9, 2020

Forest Charles Sammons (1895-1954)

My grandfather, Forest Charles Sammons, was an amazing man.  I am scanning photos from his family and his life this spring.  I found a promotion that he received in 1915 that I just scanned and I wanted to add this telegram to his timeline.  So I am starting with this scan.

Forest would have just turned 20 in June of this year.  He married Clara Margaret Hornberger in Nov of 1915.  So this was a very big year for Forest.

Wednesday, May 6, 2020

Original Quaker records

If you are an Ancestry member, you can access over 6 million original records from Quaker families. For me my Ancestry membership is worth the price for just this one thing....although I do use Ancestry for dna and other reasons including census records as well,

Here is how to access the Quaker records.  First sign into Ancestry.  Second go to the drop down menu that is labelled Search and choose search card catalogue:

This will take you  to a search area.  Type in Quaker in the search box labelled Keyword.

Push the orange button Search.  And then from the list of Quaker choices scroll down until you find the one that has over 6 million pieces of information.  It is labelled US Quaker Meeting Records
1681 -1935

Choose this option.  This will bring up a search page in which you can search by the specific surname or ancestor of interest to you.

I was playing with this site to see what I could find about Lost Creek MM.  Ancestry also has the Hinshaw Encyclopedia on line.  However, when I tried to browse Hinshaw for information about Lost Creek, I was not given the option to choose TN.   Which makes me think that Hinshaw did not include Lost Creek in his books.However, when I went to the site with over 6 million original records, and chose the box to the far right, I was able to put in Tennessee, Jefferson County, and Lost Creek MM in order to browse those records.

I must have done something wrong.  I do find pages that I have copied on another post on this site that have pages from Hinshaw that index Lost Creek.  I'll try to correct this when I get a few extra minutes.