Immigration of James and Rose/Roose Moore into Philadelphia c.1682

 I have been chatting with Moore descendants and wanted to put a few thoughts down where I could mull and ponder.  Some of what I am looking at today was information that I found in an article written by Joseph Moore and published in the Georgia Genealogical Society Quarterly Volume 4, No 1.  

My first question is where was James Moore living before he moved to Philadelphia?  

Likely came from the area of Shropshire, England according to Joseph Moore.  It is known that they had Moore connections living in neighboring Radnorshire, Wales

James was present in Philadelphia, within two years of the city’s founding by William Penn.  James’s town lot at the City Center, on which he built a house in 1684.  This lot is on  the southwest corner of present Dilworth Plaza.  He was a blacksmith by trade and performed work on Penn’s Mill, for which he was partially paid by a 1692 land grant (which he shortly sold) in Merion township, Philadelphia County, and in 1690 he assembled the leaded glass windows for the Quaker’s Center Meeting House in Philadelphia.

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/search?q=Philadelphia

http://marshamoses.blogspot.com/2015/02/james-and-rose-moore-in-philadelphia.html

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connections living in neighboring Radnorshire, Wales.

So I looked up information via AI go see if there were Quakers in this area in the 1600s and there were.  I do not believe that James Moore was a Quaker, but it is possible that he migrated with Quaker family and friends.

So it is quite possible that James Moore's move from Shropshire to Philadelphia was influenced by the persecution of the Quakers in the area even though he was not Quaker himself.  

Scotch-Irish in Virginia

 I am having a lot of fun working on my Scotch-Irish ancestors in Virginia, but I am having trouble picturing when and where they arrived and lived in the mid 1700s.  So this blog post is my cheat sheet to help me sort this out.  It is both a timeline and a visualization of land jurisdictions. 

Before 1738 Orange County was the county seat for all of the frontier of the colony of Virginia....everything west of the settled part of Virginia.  Remember when reading the below that the Valley goes UP as you go south.  So the lower Valley is in the north close to PA while the upper Valley is in the south.

1732

The area of the Shenandoah Valley is between the Blue Ridge Mountains on the eastern side of the Valley and the Allegheny/Appalachian mountains on the western side of the Valley.  I like the below map for showing the mountains in Virginia.  

The British government which was represented by the governor, wished to encourage the settlement west of the area that had now been been settled along the coast of Virginia.  They wished to have a buffer to protect those who lived in the eastern area from Indians.  And they hoped to stop the French from encroaching on the land.  The Eastern settlers had in general adopted the established church of England.  The governor of Virginia let it be known that he would be inclined to deal leniently with various Protestant sects differing in points of doctrine from those of the state religion.  This was the inducement that rapidly accelerated the settlement of the Valley of Virginia.  The dissenters poured into this newly opened land.

(above is According to the Book,  Settlers By the Long Grey Trail (which can be viewed on Family Search))

According to my Tinkling Spring book:

I am reading The Tinkling Spring Headwater of Freedom by Howard McKnight Wilson.  On page 19 I found the following:  "Between 1732 and 1738 the lands of the southern shenandoah Valley were settled without formal claim or title.  However, the settlers staked out the lands each desired and settled upon them.  Then they built their cabins and began to improve upon the lands, in the absence of claims they constituted a "Squatters Right".  When Beverley secured the patent covering the same territory, it appears that he dealt peaceably with the settlers.  Beverley needed settlers and the settlers needed legal titles to their homesteads, so he and the early settlers traded for an average of one English pound for forty acres.  however, when the Augusta County Court was established in 1745 the price to new settlers was almost doubled.

1734  Michael Woods and the group traveling with him are said to have moved to the Shenandoah Valley area about 1734.  I found this date in a card file on the internet that was said to be Mennonite records.  He actually bought his land as he settled just on the other side of the Blue Ridge Mountains that was in the county of Goochland.  So his land transaction is found in the records of Goochland County.  Acquired 400 acres in Goochland County "on both sides of Lickinghole Creek a branch of Mechams River." Patents 17, 1735-38, p. 344.

In above map you can see Mechams River just to the east of Woods Gap

Rev. Edgar Woods in his book:

1937   Albemarle County in Virginia : giving some account of what it was by nature, of what it was made by man, and of some of the men who made it (reading on Archive.org) says:

I am not convinceded that William Wallace was the son-in-law of Michael Woods.  Michael Woods' sister had married Peter Wallace before the date that the group had immigrated to our shores.  It is possible that Michael Woods' daughter had married a cousin, but I think it more likely that William Wallace was a nephew. 

What is now called Jarman's Gap was then called Woods Gap.  Woods Gap is just slightly north of Rock Fish Gap.  Rock Fish Gap is the rather larger gap through which I-64 goes through...slightly farther south than Woods/Jarman Gap.  The below map shows that it is likely that the Woods group went through the Gap to settle near where Crozet is today.

Rockfish Gap is shown below.  It is the gap I-64 goes through

 They first squatted on the land.  Then in 1737 Michael Woods, his son, Archibald Woods and his nephew, William Wallace bought more than 1300 acres on Licking Creek, Mechum's River and Beaver Creek.

Where was George McNeely living?

I have been trying to put the McNeely group living just east of the Beverley Manor or Borden Tract.  But using the water ways mentioned in the deeds it is more likely that they came through the  gap in the Blue Ridge Mountains later called Woods/Jarman Gapthat I-64  to settle just to the East of what is now Crozet.  In below map red marker just east of Crozet is Mechums River while green marker just above it is Beaver Creek.

1744 Albemarle County was formed from the western part of Goochland County

1745 Augusta County Court was established

1746-47        Peter Hairston was a member of Reformed Presbyterian Church in Ivy Creek, Virginia

Oh, my.  this is fun!  When I googled the above church I found a history of the First Presbyterian Church in Charlottesville....this is worth reading!  https://faithconnector.s3.amazonaws.com/firstprescharlottesville/files/resources/fpc_history_2nd_edition.pdf

I am not going to copy the entire article, but very exciting is the list of early Presbyterian families:

Mountain area of northern Albemarle County, there were five Presbyterian families: Anderson, Caldwell, Dougherty, Francis, and Pickens. In the Bucks Elbow Mountain area of Albemarle County, there were the following Presbyterian families: Davis, Grier, Kinkead, McCord, McNeely, Owens, Stockton, Wallace, and Woods. In the Rockfish Valley, just to the south, now in Nelson County, there were the families: Dobbins, Miller, Reid, Robertson, and Small.  I think we are zeroing in on our group!  The Red marker is Bucks Mountain!  So you can see that our group was living in the valley just below Bucks Mountain (shown with red marker on below map.)

Mountain Plains Presbyterian Church (Currently a Baptist Church)

The Rev. Mr. Craig, belonging to the Old Side Synod of Philadelphia, arranged for the transfer of the Rev. Samuel Black to the Valley of Virginia. In 1747, the Rockfish Meeting

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House, and the residents of the Ivy Creek, located near the Ivy Depot, called Mr. Black as their pastor. The groups formed by the early efforts of Mr. Craig met in the homes of Mr. William Wallace, Mr. John Caldwell, and Mr. Michael Woods developed into the congregation worshiping at the Mountain Plains Meeting House at Mechums River. It is interesting to note that Ivy Creek circles Charlottesville, which developed later into the center of population of Albemarle County, from the west to the north of the City at a distance of approximately five miles. Beyond Ivy Creek to the west, Davis Stockton gave his initials, “D. S" to the locality of the meetinghouse, which served the Mechums River and Stockton Fork area of Albemarle County. Mr. Black ministered to all these groups.

I will guarantee that our McNeely family was right there with them!  It is my gut feeling that George McNeely and family had settled on the land that Robert eventually bought and had squatted there until Robert got around to buying the land.  Remember it was on Beaver Creek quite local to Michael Woods land.  

While googling these churches, there was a reference to Rev Edgar Woods book which can be found on line at:  https://archive.org/details/albemarlecountyi0000wood

Another book that was mentioned in the history of the First Presbyterian Church of Charlottesville is a book by John Hammond Moore which can be read at Archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/albemarlejeffers0000moor/page/n5/mode/2up

The reason this book was mentioned is that Mr. Moore says that the D.S. that is used for one of the Presbyterian Church locations near our McNeely family probably stands for Dissenter rather the initials of a man living in the area.

 

Atkinson

I am cleaning out my inbox this morning and deleting old e-mails that had information in them that I am not quite ready to lose.  I am almost certain that this URL came from Nancy Wooten....but it is about the Atkinson family: 

https://dnaconsultants.com/cherokee-unlike-other-indians/

I barely skimmed the first of the article.  But the part that you want to read if you believe that you connect to the Atkinson line is in the blurb labelled Cherokee Unlike Other Indians…..Scroll down until you see the Adkins surname in bold letters.

  And here is what I wrote at the bottom of the e-mail that I sent to the Morrison google group:  I am a bit blown away by this article….I have to think about it a bit!  There are just enough facts that are familiar to me to get my attention!  I do believe that I descend from this Atkinson/Atkins line.  I believe that William Morrison and his wife Rachel Witcher were living on land that William Atkinson had given his son-in-law, William Witcher, when William married daughter, Lydia Atkinson.  That is William and Rachel received land from her father that her father had received from his father-in-law.  And I continue to believe it most likely that I descend from these people!  I just can not prove it yet.  However, I have been looking lately at the area around Henrico, Chesterfield, Cumberland and I see Atksinsons there….not likely to be the same Atkinson family that came into Philly area…..But we’ll see, huh?  Any thoughts for me on this from those of you who have Atkinson/Atkins connections?  We already know that Owen Atkinson/Atkins was traveling with our group to the Wautauga/Nolichucky area as he was among the signers of the petition with our Morrison men.  And here is what the article says about the Adkins family (below).  The William with the accumulation of wealth is my 7-gr-grandfather/

Adkins . . . is a family heavily intermarried with the pioneer Coopers, Blevinses and Burkes from Wayne County, Kentucky.  They came from Pittsylvania County, Virginia, an important staging area for the movement of Melungeon families along the northern and eastern boundaries of the Overhill Cherokee. The family is traced to a James Atkinson, a Quaker who came to Philadelphia in the 1600s, probably from a seaport in Wales. His great-grandson William Adkins left a will dated Jan. 22, 1784 and probated March 15, 1784, detailing an accumulation of wealth, and was buried near Cooper’s Old Store, Pittsylvania County. William’s son Owen was born about 1750 in Lunenberg County, Virginia (parent county of Pittsylvania) and died in Watauga, Hawkins County, Tennessee about 1790. He married Agnes Good/Goad, from the same family that provided a spouse to Valentine Sevier (1701/02-1803). Good is the English equivalent of Shem Tov, Buen, Boone, Le Bon and other names for those bearing the “good name” of King David. Valentine and Agnes were the parents of John Sevier, the first governor of Tennessee. One of his sons, Valentine, married Sarah Cooper. The Seviers can be traced to Don Juan de Xavier of a Sephardic family who took refuge in Navarre during the Spanish Inquisition.

In 1836, Benjamin Adkins built a log mill on the Little South Fork of the Cumberland near Parmleysville, Kentucky, made of huge squared logs. This mill, with rifle slits on two levels, is still standing. He left a will in 1839 showing $10,000 in debts owed him and an estate of great value. Numerous family members moved first to Sequatchee (Marion County, Tennessee) and subsequently to Sand Mountain and to a hidden cove at the foot of Fox Mountain (named after Black Fox) called Anawaika, or Deerhead, on the Georgia state line. Some proceeded west to Arkansas. William E. Adkins (about 1828-1862) married Susan E. (Sukie) Cooper (about 1831-1901), the daughter of Isaac and Mahala Jane (Blevins) Cooper, April 20, 1847, in Henry County, Tennessee, and descendants filed unsuccessful applications to be enrolled as Cherokee in Indian Territory. Memories of their Cherokee ancestors ran thin, but Steve Adkins of Arkansas  recalled in 2001, “When I was little my Great Grandma Adkins (Virgie Stanley) use to tell me stories about my Great Grandfather’s (Arthur ‘Aud’ Adkins) Grandmother. She said her name was Sukie and she was a Cherokee Indian. I later found out that ‘Sukie’ was a nickname for Susan. She also mentioned the name Mahala Blevins.”  

The three Morrison brothers in the Revolutionary War

 Many of us in our Morrison h2 group descend from one of the three Morrison brothers (William, John and James) who went off to war together  and were fortunate enough  to all return together.  The three served in the Virginia 6th Regiment from late 1775 until their honorable discharge March 16 1778.  I have not looked at every single one of the documents available for all three brothers on Fold3, but every pay roll that I viewed showed all three of the brothers being paid for that time period.  

I will show some of the slides I had prepared for our Morrison h2 zoom Meeting in March 2023. We became so engrossed in our discussion of yDNA and all things Morrison that we did not end up talking about the Revolution.  It was a good evening.

The first slide just gives a place to start with the Boston Tea party:

English Parliament responded to the Boston Tea Party in 1774 with the Intolerable Acts, or Coercive Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Intolerable Acts with additional acts of protest,

And most importantly what we would now call patriots, responded as a group by Convening the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia which petitioned the British Monarch for repeal of the acts. 

The First Continental Congress also coordinated British resistance in the fall of 1774.  

By spring 1775 the British monarch had failed to respond to the petition and 

the Second Continental Congress met in the Pennsylvania State House (now 
Independence Hall) in early May 1775.  By June 14, 1775 the Second Continental Congress had agreed

to raise troops from 12 of the colonies and to provide help to Boston.  The troops 

would be under the command of General George Washington.  The convention

also agreed to encourage counties to form militias.

The two counties of Berkeley and Frederick in Virginia were tasked with raising the troops allotted to

Virginia to send to Boston for the aid of Boston.  It is clear by looking at the map that these troops were the closest to Philadelphia and thence to Boston of any troops in Virginia.

Since this next information does not affect our Morrison brothers you probably wonder why I am adding this to the blog post.  I bought a book about Virginia's Continentals.  Virginia's Continentals are not the men who served in the militia nor were they minutemen.  These are the men who volunteered to fight with Washington and were paid $6.25 per month.  They were not volunteers.  They were members of the Continental Army.  This is indeed the status of our Morrison brothers.

Among the very first pages in the book, the author explains this about the men from Berkeley and Frederick Counties:  The arrival of the continental rifle companies (these men from Berkeley and Frederick Counties) in late July and early August sparked a wave of excitement among the New England troops outside Boston.  Riflemen were largely unknown in New England and their appearance and reputation made quite an impression.  Surgeon's Mate James Thatcher of Massachusetts described these men as

Remarkably Stout and hardy men; many of them exceeding six feet in height.  They are dressed in white frocks or rifle-shirts and round hats,  These men are remarkable for the accuracy of their aim; striking a mark with great certainty at two hundred yards distance.  At a review, a company of them, while on a quick advance, fired their balls in objects of seven inches diameter at distance of two hundred and fifty yards.  They are now stationed on our lines, and their shot have frequently proved fatal to British officers and soldiers who expose themselves to view, even at more than double the distance of common Musket shot.....scores of troops armed with muskets join in, firing smoothbore weapons which were far less accurate than the rifles.  When some of the New England troops marched to Quebec, there were three rifle companies and ten musket companies.

Mid October, in Virginia Colonel Henry assigned the fifteen companies of Regulars who had gathered or were on there way to Williamsburgh to their respective Regiments. The author names the captains of each company and the counties from which their men came,  This is on pages  16-17-18.  Our Morrison brothers would have been in Captain William Campbell's company from Pittsylvania District made up of Pittsylvania, Botetourt, Bedford, Fincastle Counties. The authors says that Green's, Campbell's, and Gibson's companies were the rifle light infantry.  Although it is likely that a number of men in the remaining five companies also carried rifles, most carried smoothbore muskets and the companies were designated as line companies.

So the information given in the two separate places in the beginning of the book would tell us that indeed William, James, and John were in an elite group within the Virginia Continentals.  It is not surprising that these men from the frontier area of Virginia brought their rifles and knew how to use them.  And that the rifles were an important part of the fight against the British.

The Cassell Family

While cruising on Ancestry, I found a reference to a book in which Hans Peter Cassel is mentioned.  Oh, my.  This is beyond interesting!  The book can be found on Ancestry.  I continue to look at my many ancestors who are found in Lancaster County, PA in the years in which the Scotch-Irish, German, and Quaker families were flocking into this very new frontier.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/48457/images/DutchQuakerPA-002145-i?pId=355407

Hans Peter Cassel is said to have resided at Germantown and have been the town crier for several years.  Where is Germantown?  It was located just northwest of Philadelphia.  When Hans Peter moved his family there the frontier area had not opened up yet.. Perhaps Germantown was indeed the Frontier.   I know from research on my Moore family that in the mid to late 1600 NO ONE wanted to live as far west as the Schuylkill River.  Commerce was centered around the Delaware River.  But that by the second generation the children of these original immigrants had begun to move to the "suburbs".  However, it is my understanding that these Dutch/German immigrants moved directly to Germantown.  The original 34 settlers drew lots for their land in 1683.  My Cassel family is not among them.  But it is possible that the wife of Hans Peter Cassel had relatives among them:  Abraham and Herman op Den Graeff.  If some of the Ancestry trees are correct, Hans Peter Cassel's mother had maiden name of op Den Graeff.

Ok.  At this point I am having trouble sorting out these family members from Kriesheim.  Does my Jacob really connect to this family and how do they all fit together?  I believe I have found a man with last name Castle who is willing to do yDNA testing for me and has a good paper trail to our mutual Jacob Castle who founded Castlewoods.  Plus he is an Ancestry DNA match to me.  Now I am looking for a male with Castle/Cassel surname who descends from a branch of the family that did not leave PA with Jacob.

My plan today is to cruise Ancestry for the above goal.  I will be adding "stuff" from this exercise to this post as I find it.  There is no organization to this post.  Hopefully the organization will happen after I get yDNA results.  This is more like a brainstorm event.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/11780/images/dvm_GenMono001194-00008-0?pId=11

This next (below) is from above book

The below is taken from this book that I am reading on Ancestry.  The pronoun He in the beginning of ths excerpt refers to Willam Penn on his visit to Kreisheim.

As I reread my post in December with the goal of doing some editing and of also refreshing my brain with what I know, I remember having thought about the possibility that our Cassel family were French Huguenots who had relocated at Kreishiem.  I have recently listened to a webinar about the Huguenots and it was stated that during the time of the massacres and persecutions in France these people moved everywhere!  The fact that one of the sons of Johannes Cassel (Arnold) married a woman of Huguenot ancestry could be a clue if I ever want to follow up on this thought.  Again remember I am brainstorming.

The next is from a post made by Brenda Reed at genealogy.com  This article is worth rereading.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/cassell/734/

Circa 1632 Yelles married a woman we know only as Mary and by her had five known children born between c1632 and 1650:HEINRICH (a Mennonite minister, possibly a bishop, settled in Germantown, Pennsylvania); JOHANNES, a weaver who converted to Quaker and settled at Germantown in 1681;YELLES, a Mennonite minister who remained in Kreisheim his whole life;ARNOLD, a Mennonite minister who settled in Germantown; and ABRAHAM who remained in Kreisheim.Due to religious persecution for their Mennonite beliefs, Yelles and his family lived in hiding, moving from town to town, though YELLES's main residence was Kriesheim and Worm, in the Palatinate. Yelles was a man of abiding faith who withstood tremendous hardships and came through his struggle with tremendous grace. His descendantsvariously spell their surname as Cassell, Cassel, Kasel, Kassel, and Castle and can be found living all across America. Yelles died in Kreishem around 1681.

Below is a map from a Google search for the Palatinate

 

I found a site on Rootsweb that gives a name for the wife of Yelles.  This is definitely not the Yelles described above,  but it is possibly the son of Yelles above if he was one of the older children.  However, this does not fit with the idea that too Yelles remained in Kreisham.

Oh, wow....this is getting confusing.  But this whether near truth or not does establish that at least someone found connection between Cassell family and op den Graeff family.  I am also thinking about what I learned about the French Huguenots last night.  I noticed that Calvin was mentioned in something that I read this morning and he seems to be connect to Hueguenots.  

And, below is a map showing the location of Worms.  Brenda Reed's blog post on genealogy.com says: 

Kresheim came to be called Kriegsheim in 1794, and today is Monsheim Kriegsheim

located seven miles west of the City of Worms on the west bank of the Rhine River in the heart of the German Lower (Rhenish) Palitinate in between the cities of Ludwigshafen and Mainz

The red marker below shows where google shows Monsheim Kreigsheim to be today.

Hmm....thinking right now that while looking for a second yDNA participant I should give some thought of if there is a proven son of the Yelles Cassel of Kreisham?  Or perhaps someone who seems very solid in this family.  I will give this some thought.

Some of the information that  have typed into the Reunion data base for Castle comes from the following site:  

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/110177/I55787/-/individual

The above screen shot also comes from that site and is a list of sources used by author who posted on Rootsweb

Burlington MM in New Jersey

I am relooking at some of what I looked at before the yDNA match of our Elliott participants to Jeff Houghton.  Jeff's match has me looking at an area in England rather than an area near Philadelphia.  I decided to look at the passengers who came over in the Kent in 1677 to settle in Burlington.  I knew that the Kent sailed from London and I have looked at the names of those who are said to have made that voyage.  But when I relook at the sites I have viewed before, I get some additional information that is indeed of interest. 

From: https://www.geni.com/projects/Quakers-of-New-Jersey-Kent-Passengers-1677/291

It should be noted that many passengers alleged to have been aboard were from Yorkshire, Northamptonshire, and other northern counties. They probably loaded at a northern port, perhaps Hull or Liverpool, before the Kent arrived at London, which is why they do not appear in the London loadings.

Reference: Passengers and Ships Prior to 1684, Penn's Colony: Volume I by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., 1970.

 I have found that the book can be found at the Boyd County Library and will go there to view it in August.

And on the site:

http://genealogytrails.com/njer/burlington/early_settlement.html

I have found the following:

Early settlement of the county (Burlington, NJ)
In 1675, Fenwick sailed from London in the ship "Griffin," Robert Griffiths, master, with his family and a company of Friends, and after a pleasant passage landed near the old fort " Elseborg," and named it Salem. This was the first English ship that entered the Delaware with emigrants, and no others followed for nearly two years.

Among the purchasers of West Jersey lands were two companies, one of Friends in Yorkshire, the other of Friends in London. In 1677 commissioners were sent by the proprietors, with power to buy lands of the Indians, to inspect the rights of such Europeans as claimed property, and to order the lands laid out, and in general to administer the government. Of the commissioners, those for Yorkshire were Joseph Helmsley, William Emley, Robert Stacy, and Thomas Foulke

And

The Yorkshire purchasers chose from the Assunpink to the Rancocas, which was called the first tenth; and the London chose the second tenth, from Rancocas to Timber Creek. For mutual protection and assistance they agreed to build a town in company, and the present site of Burlington City was chosen.

As best as I can tell those from London would have land starting at Burlington and going south on the Delaware river while those from Yorkshire area would have land starting at Burlington and going north on the Delaware River.

Wirksworth, England and the Elliott family

I am beginning to look at the Quaker and also the early Elliott family lines found in the area in which Jeff Houghton's Houghton line are also visible in the 1600s.  I have asked Jeff to help me with this project and this blog post will be where I jot down ideas and thoughts.  Jeff has mentioned Wirksworth, so I will start with that.  His comment was:

Been going through the Elliot's of Wirksworth and the earliest mention is of one that had one of the first rifles in Liz the 1st time (1500s) NO mention of Houghton before 1620, also noticed at a quick glance of the records that several of our line married Elliot's although far to late for our quest.  .....

The red marker on the below map shows location of Wirksworth in England.  It is in the County of Derbyshire.  This seems to be a good place to start.

 Who moved from this area to Pennsylvania c.1682?  One family was George and Hannah Wood with son-in-law, Richard Bonsall.  They moved with six other families from Derbyshire (not named by the author of this blog post) and settled in Darby, PA.  Darby is shown win the below map outlined in Red practically next door to what is now the Philadelphia International airport.

https://hannah-howe.com/ancestry/quick-netherlands-derbyshire-pennsylvania/

This family had roots in the Netherlands and had moved to Wirksworth for iron mining.  After becoming Quaker in Wirksworth, they decided to move to Pennsylvania by 1682.

Elliott family line in England

 Yesterday, FTDNA sent me an e-mail that there were new matches to Roland and Gerald Elliott.  I bought both 37 marker tests this past year and the match was to both men.  Here are parts of  the answer that I received when I reached out to the new match with geography added:

Yesterday, my prayers were answered with the connect to Sir Thomas Elliott line, and obviously yours at some time, when a Hoghton of Hoghton tower it seems started a cadet house in Yorkshire, and married an Elliott, and within two generations or so are in Nottinghamshire, and now close the link to our years in Derbyshire starting around the time of our Civil war.

Yorkshire is a historic county in northern England. It’s known for its Roman and Viking heritage, as well as its Norman castles, medieval abbeys, Industrial Revolution-era cities and 2 national parks. The county town of York, founded by the Romans, is home to 13th-century cathedral York Minster, Tudor houses and medieval walls. The interactive Jorvik Viking Centre recalls the area’s 9th-century Norse occupation.

Yorkshire

From Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer: (page 438)

"The Quaker founders of Pennsylvania and West Jersey came from every part of England.  But one region stood out above the rest.  The Friends' migration drew heavily upon the North Midlands, and especially the counties of Cheshire, Lancaster, Yorkshire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire.  In a list of English immigrants who arrived at Philadelphia between the years 1682 and 1687, more than 80 percent came from these five contiguous counties."

and

"On both banks of the Delaware River, these Quaker immigrants distributed themselves in small settlements according to their places of origin in Britain.  Country Quakers from Cheshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire settled mainly in Chester and Bucks Counties.  "the farmers amoung them poverty stricken dalesmen from the moors of northern England." writes Frederick Tolles, "headed straight for the rich uplands of Bucks and Chester"  The lands around Trenton were occupied by emigrants from the Peak District of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire.  London Quakers preferred the city and county of Philadelphia.  Emigrants from Bristol founded a town of the same name on the Delaware River.  Dublin Quakers occupied  Newton, West Jersey.  Emigrants from, Wales colonized the "Welsh Tract" west of the Schuylkill River"

Just to make this easier to think about here are the boundaries of the original three counties:

So we have Bucks, Philadelphia, and then Chester which stretched as far west as anyone would want to go.

Lancaster was carved out of Chester in 1729.  It is the area that is west of the other three counties.  It was growing exponentially by this time.  No one was settling yet on the other side of the Susquehanna River.  The Indians considered it their land at this time.

I am reading Albion's Seed and adding to this blog post as I have time.

In July, I am adding again to this blog post that was interrupted by Mary's wedding and my having finally caught Covid.  This next excerpt is from The Beginnings of Quakerism on page 42:

I am reading this on google books.

"We now turn to the small beginnings of this Quaker Movement.....In a document written in 1676, Fox says that the Truth sprang up first in Leicestershire in 1644, in Warwickshire in 1645,  in Nottinghamshire in 1646, in Derbyshire in 1647, and in the adjacent counties in 1648, 1649, and 1650.

This is from George Fox Epistles p 2.

In another paper he speaks of business meetings concerning the poor.....held earlier than 1650 in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, and Leicester, where there was a great convincement.

Elliott family found in Bucks County, PA as early as 1678

 Read previous blog post for how I backed into this family.  That blog was getting too confusing.  I am gong to add information  here in a more organized way.  I spent the day at the Boyd County Library yesterday and have some conflicting information that I wish to organize.  However, I think perhaps this research may be a dead end, so if you are reading this in the future, ask me if I threw it all out.  

On an Ancestry tree, I found a link to an article taken from

This book is available on Ancestry

This article sums up the proofs that I list below:

There is without a doubt two men mentioned in the records of the area near Falls MM in Bucks County, PA.  Andrew and William Elliott are there as early as 1678.  They came directly too the area from Somerset County in England from the port of Bristol.

Andrew Elliott did not come from New England as many Ancestry trees suggest.  He came directly from England.  He was affluent enough to bring two servants and to buy a large amount of land once he arrived. Note there is no date given nor children.  But several pages later I found an entry for Gideon Gambell of Hevizes in the County of Wilts.  Slator Arrived....Deleware River in the "Bristol Factor" Master Richard True 10th Month 1681

Many of the Ancestry trees suggest that Andrew was the father of William Elliott and have information in their trees making the birth of Willliam happen about the time Andrew turn eight years old.  I found information proving that William is a brother not a son:

One thing of interest in the area that is Makefield is that William Penn had originally set this area aside for his children.  However,  the children did not settle there and it was sold off to others.  There is also information that William Penn had built a home in Bucks County on the Delaware River and was often seen traveling there via boat from Philadelphia.  

Something that I had never realized before is that William Penn was only on these shores for four years out of his life:

http://www.pennsburymanor.org/history/william-penn/

However, there is a major problem with this new theory.  I can not find a son named John among either man's children.  Both men die with only daughter's and son-in-laws named in their wills.  Andrew died in 

And William's will was proved in 1721

The above is taken from a collection found on Ancestry:

Pennsylvania, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1683-1993

However, it is clear that at least one of the men did indeed have a son.  We find William's daughter, Mary, marrying James Hawkins of Dublin MM in Philadelphia in 1705.  And in 1706 Andrew Ellliott asks for a certificate to take to Dublin MM as he intends to marry Hannah Mead.

And also in the Falls MM in 1704 William's daughter, Elizabeth is to marry  a weaver of Makefield Township named William Downey.

Apparently, Andrew who was the son of William died young as his widow is found marrying Samuel Combe in 1713.  

William Ellet's daughter, Hannah, married James Downey, yeoman, in 1712.

In 1702 Ann Ellett is to marry Lennett Shaweres no parents named:

And in 1707 Richard Bidgood brings a certificate from Dublin Township intending to marry Sarah Elliott

I decided to look up the Dublin MM next.  It was pretty much in the middle of no where north east of Philadelphia.  But in looking up this MM I found a huge article about the Irish Quakers that I didn't read carefully.  I will want to read this at some point:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~billie0w/books/quakers/part_3/chapter_1.htm

I am winding yarn for my As You Wish shawl while I read books on-line.  I am reading: 

History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania : from the discovery of the Delaware to the present time

by William W.H. Davis.  It is available on Ancestry.  On page 18 the author tells that our Elliott family are among the first to arrive directly to Bucks from England:

This information starts at:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14300/images/dvm_LocHist001132-00020-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return

and continues for several pages telling the order that people moved into the area on both the east and west banks for the Delaware river. While our Elliott line is not mentioned many other families are mentioned and could be families from which John Elliottt's wife, Sarah was from.

There is an excellent bibliography that I would like to explore at:

https://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m3343x3344.htm